Why Bother?

The message I am trying to get out into the world with this book is that to fail a daughter today is to fail a woman tomorrow. And that is to fail the future of humanity.

We tend in western thinking to see gender in a “linear” fashion. Moms raise daughters, mostly. While there are certainly important exceptions, and while that’s heroic work when moms do raise daughters, it’s still linear. I had a very different thought:

Men can learn to become fathers from women–that is if the men are raising daughters. And girls in very large part are shaped into women by men–their fathers. For better or worse.

Getting out of the “box” of how we think about raising daughters is some of the most important work of this generation and the next few after it. And that is why I’m trying to incite a mini revolution with this work. The future of the world, quite literally, depends upon it. The patriarchal model, upon which most of “civilization” is based, led to the human race slaughtering 100 million of its own members during the last century. A more balanced masculine-feminine model is the only way we’re going to get ourselves out of our mess.

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Father-Daughter Scars Can Run Deep–and They Can Heal, Too

I received the following message from a woman who attended my keynote address at a conference in California recently. I share it (with her permission, and the name has been changed) to illustrate just how powerful this high-voltage line is between fathers and daughters.

Hello Mr. Renner,
I want to take a few minutes to describe my feelings towards your presentation. First off, I have the utmost respect for you, as a man, father and an individual overall. I didn’t realize that your presentation was going to affect me to the extent that it did. When you started your presentation, you asked the fathers and daughter in the audience to stand and asked them a set of questions that related to their father. I sat down immediately because none of the questions pertained to me. When I sat down, looking around at the handful of other daughters in the conference that sat down with me, a great deal of emotion began to run through my body, I wanted to burst out in tears,but I didn’t know why.

My parents got divorced when I was five years old, my younger sister was two years old. My parents had anything but a healthy relationship. My father abused my mother physically, verbally and emotionally for 8 years of their marriage. I remember early memories, of my father beating my mother to death in a bath tub, while I stood at the entrance of the bathroom. I remember those horrific moments clearly, as if it was yesterday. Since their divorce, he has not been a part of my life, nor cared to come around, other than when he gets drunk and remembers he has two daughters he’ll stop by my house, when I chose not to answer the door.

I sent him a long letter when I was 15 years old. In the letter I described my memories that he left embedded in my mind, the feelings I had towards him as a father and what I thought the type of father he should have been. At that moment, my anger was released, I forgave him for the pain he caused my mother and myself, but I feel that I will never forgive him for the pain of not being that “father figure” that every girl should have.

When I got home the night of the conference, I had emotions that were waiting
to burst out the moment that I got home. I parked, walked into my house, put my keys down and my mother asked me how the conference went. The only thing I remember was basically falling into fetal position into tears. She held me and repeatedly asked what was wrong with me. After collecting myself, I walked with her into the living room, and explained my experience at the conference during your presentation. Her eyes filled with tears and I explained to her, that you hit a spot that hasn’t been touched before. I know my mother is a single parent, and I think she has been a better parent than some dual parent households I know of. She is the greatest blessing I have ever recieved. I never feel like I missed out of a “father figure” because my grandpa picked up the father figure for me, my family is very close knit and took responsibilities for anything my mom needed help with.

I am very aware that I cannot relate to many other girls when it comes to relating to their father, but my mother did an amazing job at being the mother and father figure for me. At that moment in the conference when I sat down though, I felt singled out, I felt unwanted, and with no purpose to continue sitting there if I couldn’t relate to the “fatherhood” topic. I chose to stay and listen. I loved it! I would have loved to grow up with a father like you, but my past has only made me more aware of the person I decide to chose as father for my children.

I just want to thank you for allowing me to open up to a side, that perhaps needed to come out, that needed cleansing.You opened a side that perhaps,I didn’t know needed to be opened but it felt so good to let it out. I felt emotionally drained for a few days after, but I am better now.

Thank you Mr. Renner for your amazing presentation and outlook of fatherhood. your daughters are TRULY BLESSED.
There should be more fathers like you in this world.

With respect,
Elena

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Denise’s story

Denise was another of the many women I interviewed whose story unfortunately fell on the floor of the editing room. It’s unfortunate, because there was so much she took from both of her parents. I’m glad to include it here, and finally get it published.

Denise was 45 years old when we met for our interview. She has worked as an operations assistant for an electrical distributor, a hairdresser, an administrative assistant, a receptionist, and a mystery shopper. She has two children through her first marriage and a stepdaughter. Her mother is Nancy, whom I blogged about last weekend. Denise discovered how emotional distance works its way down through the generations.

My dad was born in Chehalis, Washington, in 1939, and his family moved to Portland when he was in school, to the same basic neighborhood where I grew up. My parents met in high school. My dad is two years younger than my mother. They were 22 and 24 when they got married, in 1961. My sister was born in 1962. I was born in 1964.

He went to college at Pacific University and was finishing up some further degrees when my sister and I were very young. He worked as a PE teacher and did some classroom teaching, like health. He also refereed high school basketball. They divorced in 1972, so I was quite young. It wasn’t stormy and ugly. My parents aren’t that kind of people. It was emotional and difficult, but it could have been way worse.

What are your first memories of being with him?
One of my earliest memories—I was maybe three, four—was one time that I ran out across the street. And I’m sure I had been told over and over, “You go to the corner, you look both ways.” I think there were kids across the street, or something that was exciting to me, and I just went. My dad came bolting out the door after me and grabbed my arm and paddled my butt, all the way back across the street and said, “What did you do wrong?”

“I ran across the street when I wasn’t supposed to.”

“And what are you supposed to do?”

“Go to the corner and look both ways.”

“And are you ever going to do this again?”

“No, Daddy.”

When my dad was still at home, he used to invite his buddies from work over. They would play cards around our dining room table. My mom would make hors d’oeuvres and munchies and stuff in the kitchen, and I remember helping in the kitchen and being really excited about serving them, taking them out to the table and seeing my dad with his friends. And they were laughing and having a good time. That’s a really good memory for me. I would have been about five or six. And I love entertaining to this day. I love having people over and serving them food and making them feel comfortable.

Another memory is that my dad drove a garbage truck on weekends to make extra money. And every once in a while, he would come pick me and my sister us up and we’d ride along in the garbage truck with him. And, oh, man, that was the coolest thing.

I remember going to the demolition derby at the racetrack. I was pretty young. I don’t really remember if that happened before they divorced or if it was afterwards. You’d see these old beat up jalopies going around the racetrack and smashing into each other. You think that’s a boy thing, right? But from an adult perspective at this stage, I’m like, “What a cool thing. My dad didn’t stereotype enough to think, ‘Well, I don’t have a son; I can’t take my kids to go do this.’” He had girls. So what? We went.

You just touched on gender role typecasting. Did he do other things where he gave you the freedom to do what you want to do?
Yeah, my dad has always been an encourager, saying you can do and be whatever you want to do and be. He never typecast for gender or any other thing. He always made it very clear that whatever we wanted to do was great and he’d support us and be there.

My dad’s a really accepting person and he doesn’t think anyone has to think and do how he thinks and does. That’s just who he is and the message that I’ve always gotten from him. And that’s how I see him live his life around family and friends and he’s just always been that way.

He’s always been a very principled person. I know as an adult in his marriage to my stepmom he found religion. It’s when he started going to church and found a faith in God and began to read the Bible and believe that whole Judeo-Christian value system, which I think he basically already had in his life.

My dad’s just always been a good person. His request for his 70th birthday was that we bring memories of him. So I read this at his birthday party and then gave him a copy of it:

“If I were to say what sticks with me about my dad through the years, and what impact he has on my life, it would be these things:

I am always incredibly proud when I think of my dad.
There is always a sense of calm and peace when I think about my dad.
Words that come to mind when I think of my dad:
Wisdom
Strength
Peace
Humility
Acceptance
Foundation
Calm
Love

One of the things I always remember my dad saying to me through the years is, “I may not always agree with what you do, but I will always accept you.” I have passed this wisdom on to various people in different circumstances through the years, and shared with them how beneficial it has been to me in my life. Dad has consistently lived this out, and been there for me no matter what. I don’t even know for sure the times he may not have agreed with me; I just know he has always listened, treated me with kindness, respect, and generosity through whatever the situation was.

Another saying Dad uses consistently, and that I have incorporated into my paradigm, is the Serenity Prayer: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.” This has been absolutely invaluable to me in determining what I really do and do not have control over in my life, and to trust God with it all, and it came from my Dad.
And finally, this saying of Dad’s has also been incredibly helpful to me in keeping perspective, determining if there might be a more productive alternative to handling a situation, or just life in general. This has also gotten me a few comments and a little trouble from my wonderful husband when I’ve used it on him! “And how’s that working out for you?”

This is a great story. I wouldn’t be surprised if in your adolescence or in your twenties, the effects of the divorce started to take to take hold in some way.
There definitely was. Until about age 36 or 37, I floated through life. I’ve always basically been a happy person, but I think I was pretty numb. I wasn’t really in touch with myself. And I wanted to get married and be happy. I’m quite sure that it is from the family that fragmented, even though we saw Dad regularly and he was very involved with us. He and my stepmom were both teachers, so they had the summers off, just like my sister and I did. They took us on these great camping trips through the summer and did really great stuff with us.

But you can’t erase the effects of what happens when parents divorce. You just can’t. And I remember being really, really matter of fact about it when it happened, even though I was so young. My sister was the one that got really emotional and ran out of the house into the back yard and climbed a tree. I just remember being, “Well, okay.” And that is part of my personality. I kind of take things in stride. It’s not that things don’t affect me, but I’ve come to be a real problem solver. It’s like, “Okay, here’s what’s in front of me. Now what am I going to do about it? How am I going to make this work?” And I guess that was evident even back then. I remember saying to my dad, “I want to see you every other weekend.”

And do you remember an emotional experience of shock or fear?
I really don’t. But I do remember being really angry sometimes. We had this big, vinyl recliner and I would just go and pound my fists in it, to get out, I guess, my emotions.

Now, being a divorced parent that has children and seeing the effects on my own children, it’s real easy for me to put pieces together for myself, because my son is six now. He was two when I divorced his father. There are definite effects. I’m guessing that maybe my anger and fist pounding was my way of working it out. My mom would describe me as kind of sullen as a younger girl. And that fits. I was bored. I just didn’t have a lot of spark after their divorce. I didn’t have a lot of drive and motivation.

I did well in school, though, always liked school, always got good grades. I was involved with music; I still love music. That was my thing, my solace, what made me happy, where I met my friends and the people I hung out with.

Right out of high school I went to beauty school and got my hairdresser’s license and did that for a few years. I had done office work part-time through high school and I eventually went back to doing that after I got tired of being a hairdresser and figured out that really wasn’t for me.

So I’ve just kind of floated and skated. I’ve had good jobs. I’m a good employee. I get along with people. I do well. And through those years, I was just kind of lost, didn’t really know who I was, what I wanted. Things would come along and go—“That sounds good,” “Oh, yeah, yeah, I could do that.” But it wasn’t until my later thirties, early forties that I’ve really discovered my passions and what floats my boat.

Was the early loss of your father something that left you with that longing for emotional reconnection with a male partner?
I’ve come to discover in the last few years that even though my father was absent from the home and I didn’t see him as much as my mom, I think the emotional attachment and the emotional need that I didn’t have filled was more due to my mother than my father.

My mom is a great lady. She took the best care of us. She was always there, always cooked our meals, made sure we had clothes. She had to go to work when my parents divorced, so she went to work when we were very young.

She had her sewing hobby. All my memories are of my mom sitting in there at her sewing machine. She’d still talk to us and it’s not like she was completely closed off. But my mom is not a real emotional attachment kind of person. She just doesn’t go there. She’s loving. She’s helpful in the best way that she can be helpful and supportive in the best way that she can be supportive. And she’s really grown up a lot in the last few years, I have to say.

You mentioned age 36 or 37, that you were numb until then. What happened then?
When I was 37, I was part of a musical drama at the church I attended. I was a part of a cast of seven women and we did a Broadway play called Quilters. I’ve always sung but I had not really ever acted. But being in that play did something for me. [Denise begins crying.] I don’t know what, but it did something for me. And apparently, it was really huge.

What was that feeling?
[Still crying] It showed me what I was capable of. We were together for a lot of hours for a lot of weeks. And these stories were of women who were on the wagon train. They told their life stories through their quilts. It was a really empowering thing. I fell in love with acting and being on the stage. That whole experience really just kicked me in the butt in the right way and gave me what I needed to start sorting my life out.

I was not the same after that. I started on a quest to find out what the hell was wrong with my marriage, because I knew it was really, really, really not good. I started reading books. I started talking to a counselor, a pastor, friends. I just started trying to get my hands on anything and everything I could to figure out who I was, who my husband at the time was and what in the world was wrong, because it was really wrong. And I did. I figured it out and four years later, I was out of there.

It was the beginning of your awakening.
Exactly. And I’ve used that word. In my twenties, I was definitely outgoing and bubbly. And for the most part, I’ve always been a confident person. I’ve been a Christian and a churchgoer since high school. I kind of found my religion when I was in high school and it’s just been this huge, long process in my life. So along with growing up and developing and learning more about faith and God in my life, trying to figure out what that all looked like, I ended up marrying this very conservative Christian man, who seemed to have it figured out.

I wanted more than anything to have this good Christian marriage, because that family life just seemed like it was what God designed; this is God’s plan for your life, to live a godly life and if you desire, get married, have a family, all of that kind of stuff. I met this guy at church and he had the same passion to have this great Christian family and he knew the Bible really well.

I didn’t really know who I was and I didn’t really know what I wanted when I married my husband. But this guy I was married to and this lifestyle I was living and the things I was experiencing— my favorite way to describe it was life in a box: “This is what the Bible says and this is how it needs to look.”

Through a long process, I came to find out that that is not the only way that the Christian life looks; that’s not the only way that God will accept you. I found out that my first husband just is not emotionally available. He has many wounds and hurts from his upbringing that he never dealt with and that colored his whole perspective and interpretation of relationships and life. I was always the one with the issues. If I said there was a problem, I was the problem for saying there was a problem. It was pretty much hell.

The big turning point was when it started to affect my parenting. By this time, my son had been born. He was less than two. I was still home-schooling my daughter. But I was not being a very patient parent. I was getting angry. And then, I was looking through the yellow pages for someplace to check myself into, because I was going stark, raving nuts. I really was. I was ready to commit myself, because I couldn’t function.

And what happened when you looked through the yellow pages?
I ended up calling a counselor, just to say, “Okay, I need help.” I was so raw that when I would start giving very basic details, I was sobbing uncontrollably. We had tried counseling off and on through all the years. We tried to read books, tried this, tried that.

And so, I just finally went, “You know what? He’s just not capable of doing the hard work, working through his issues, getting to a place where he can be healthy with me and I cannot do this anymore. I just can’t.” I was scared shitless. I was so scared to leave, so scared. But I had no other choice.

I was unemployed, a stay-at-home mom. I hadn’t been at work for twelve years. So, I had to regroup big time.

What role, if any, does your father play in all of this, as a support or source of stability for you?
He was definitely there for me, as was my mother. My dad came up to Olympia and went to my first lawyer appointment with me. They helped a little bit financially and when I finally fled the coop, my son and I landed in a motel room down here. My parents came and visited and offered money or support or whatever I needed. They were definitely always there.

And my dad is the type of person that will always be there for you, but he doesn’t barge in. He won’t keep bugging. You just know that he’s always available and he waits for you to initiate, which took me a long time to figure out. And sometimes, I’m like, “Okay, you know, why is he not calling me?” And then, “Oh, duh, Denise, you know it goes both ways. You could call him.”

I’ve grown to appreciate that about him, because he doesn’t meddle. And I know that if I called my dad and said, “Hey, I need this,” he’s there. But I think that there was probably a little more that he could have done through the years at certain times to initiate contact more often, just to see how I was doing. He will actually do that now, just call me up and say, “Hey, it’s time for a daddy lunch. When are you available?”

As you look back over your life with your father, what would you say are the biggest things you took from him, that shaped who you are?
Acceptance of differences, working on yourself, growing, personal growth, spiritual growth, learning and growing, mostly on a personal, spiritual type basis.

How did he convey that to you?
I remember my dad and my stepmom getting pretty heavily into Lifespring. They went to several different levels and workshops. I remember them talking about that and the different crazy experiences they would do as exercises in branching out and discovering your potential and all of this kind of stuff.

And I was always fascinated by that. My dad was a student management specialist, basically like a vice principal in charge of discipline. He worked with kids that got in trouble at school. So, he did a lot of learning and reading and training in counseling, and he would share a little bit of that here and there and that always fascinated me.

Was there anything that, as you look back over the relationship with your father, that you didn’t get that you find yourself still really longing for?
Guidance and values and talking to me about dating and discipline. I sort of had a curfew with my mom, but not really. And I wasn’t a bad kid that abused it, but there wasn’t a lot of rules and guidelines and definite values, definite rules. At the time, of course, I thought that was great. But, looking back on it from an adult perspective, that would have been incredibly valuable, especially coming from my father.

I’ve come to believe that the father’s influence in children’s lives is incredibly valuable in the whole romance and dating and sex scene. I think that fathers can have an incredibly profound impact on their daughters, for better or worse, in that area. It would have been really valuable to me.

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Behind the Scenes: An Unpublished Interview

I wasn’t able to use in my book all of the interviews, due the the length of what could be published. One story that I was heartbroken to leave out was Nancy’s.

Nancy was 71 when we did the interview. She worked in clerical jobs in two urban high schools until she retired. She has two daughters and six grandchildren. One of her daughters, Denise, was also interviewed for my book. I’ll publish her story as well in a later post.

Nancy has a heart of gold. Here is an edited version of our interview. It’s long for a blog post, but a good look behind the scenes at how the mini chapters of my book came together, and how a lack of emotional engagement between a daughter and father plays out over her lifetime. My comments and questions are in bold / italics.

My father was born in 1907 in Kansas. His family moved to the Pacific Northwest when he was an infant and lived in Milton-Freewater, a little city east of the Cascade Mountains. He was one of seven children, three of whom were step-siblings. His mother remarried after his parents divorced.

He went to work for Shell Oil Company. He was a self-made man. He started in the mailroom, He was maybe seventeen. He was resourceful. I didn’t get the impression that Dad ever got off track. He was one of those people that went to work for one company and ended up retiring from it. He got into the banking department and was an auditor. He was transferred from Seattle down to San Francisco and we lived in California for five years. He traveled some, auditing places. But he was present in the home.

I don’t know how Mom and Dad met. Dad had been married briefly before Mother, and that woman left him. I don’t know how much time went by before he met mom. It could have been a rebound emotional thing for him, because their marriage wasn’t real happy. I do know I was conceived before they were married and maybe that was why they married.

Even living with three daughters and a wife, he wasn’t in tune much with the emotional levels of women and kids. We didn’t deviate from kind of median emotional levels as far as spending a lot of time crying, if there was an upset of some kind or whatever emotion that way. And if we were too exuberant too long or loud, we were instructed to calm down. So, there was this even center. You kept your emotions curtailed. That has affected me a lot of my life.

Both my siblings and I think of him as a disciplinarian and stern, but not someone to be feared. He was there and engaged. My younger sister remembers much more of that. She has a different perspective. She felt more encouraged compared to what I remember.

The first thing that comes to mind with Dad is a sternness, rather than a smiling kind of thing. Except when I look at pictures, he’s smiling [She begins to cry]. Excuse me. That’s why pictures were helpful, because there was a lot of good things going on with him. I don’t know why I didn’t feel very close to him or that I could go to him easily for things and support. But he was always there. He was loyal. He was honest. He was successful in his work, formal, always dressed in the suit and the tie, but not somebody that you couldn’t approach. He just didn’t show a lot of emotion.

That was hard for Mom through the years. And he did say to me when I was an adult, there was things he regretted and wished he’d done differently in that regard. But, he didn’t come from good modeling in his own home life, and he was on his own early and young. So, there wasn’t probably a structure that he could relate to.

I’m sensitive about my dad, because I didn’t feel as close as I would have liked to. On the other hand, he said a couple things to me during my life that made me feel like he was instrumental in some of my insecurity about myself. The only thing that stands out that I’ve never forgotten is he said I was different. Whenever he would talk to me about things, I would come back with comments or retorts. And he said I always had an excuse for everything. And I didn’t look at it as an excuse. I looked at it as just contributing from my perspective or my thoughts and it was sharing. But, I got kind of not accepted on that level.

That sounds stifling.
Yeah, I internalize still to this day about a lot of things. I keep things to myself. I don’t emote. And I’ve been that way my whole life. I think it comes from him, because Mom suffered from a lot of not good emotional support from him. They weren’t a close couple. And they weren’t social very much.

I’ve been divorced for so long, over 30 years, and I don’t connect well with people. My husband and I were married just shy of eleven years. Our girls were eight and ten when we split up. And I never remarried. I had male friends, but after a while I didn’t really interact with the opposite sex. I had issues with my wellbeing as I approached mid-life, back and chiropractic issues. And I didn’t feel worthy, or that anybody else could put up with me. It was all I could do to work and maintain myself, because I didn’t feel good a lot of the time.

But, I improved a lot on that and after a while, I didn’t really care. I wasn’t very social and don’t care about groups. When I’m in a group, I’m more apt to be a listener, instead of reaching out.

During our marriage my ex-husband encouraged me once to go to counseling. I thought later why me? Why not us? I went once or twice, but I couldn’t really connect and see that that was going to do anything.

Over the years, as talk radio became more a part of my life and more things were on the air, I listened a lot and heard the general public calling in with all kinds of things. And I got a lot of consensus about relationships that way, plus some reading, as well. It taught me many things in many areas of life; I feel like I’m a much brighter and smarter person than I was when I was school age and beyond.

How long were your parents married?

I forget. Mom became quite ill and passed away the day before her 70th birthday. She had heart problems and had open-heart surgery. While she was mending from that, they discovered she had cancer. So, it was a big whammy there for her. When she went through mid-life, she was very emotional and it seemed like she was very childlike when she’d fall apart and get upset over things. Dad didn’t deal with that well. She didn’t get comfort and empathy from him.

How did he deal with it?
I don’t know. And they also did not sleep together as far back as I can remember. Dad moved out of their bedroom and he slept on a small bed in the sewing room. I never asked why.

Did that strike you as unusual?
I think I wondered about it maybe. Pregnancy was always an issue for women in those times, and I think Mom had a fourth pregnancy that she lost. We never got a lot of details about things like that.

After I got a little older, I determined that because my folks were married in January and I was born in July, they apparently had to get married because of me. And then, when time came for my turn, it seemed to be a repeat of that process, although Rod and I had been going together a long time. But, we had to move that up, because of an approaching child. So, it’s like repeating the process.

You always wish that you had more conversation with your parents about the past than you did. I don’t know that I thought to do that, as much as I would now. I have a much different attitude about nostalgia now. And they weren’t forthcoming to volunteer information, so to engage them in more personal kinds of things, I don’t know how Dad would have reacted to that. He was a “to himself” person. I think that’s why Mom would get so frustrated or maybe get on edge emotionally, because her needs weren’t being met by him. But there was affection. And every night, when we were kids growing up, going to bed, we always kissed Dad goodnight. That was just routine when he was there.

One of the other things I remember was that in California, we had built an additional bedroom and bathroom for me and my sister. He’d come in at night sometimes when we were getting ready for bed and he’d be playing his harmonica and being fun with us. I don’t remember things said but I remember him playing that harmonica. I have one at home myself.

Did you witness your parents being affectionate with each other?
Probably hugs, but I really don’t remember.

Was your father affectionate with you?
Other than the good night hugs and kiss when we went to bed, I don’t really relate to that. And my sister said the same thing.

Do you remember your father ever telling you that he loved you?
No. Maybe—I’m sure he did.

You’re sure he did love you or that he told you?
Both, in his own way. He just wasn’t very verbal. I don’t even remember if I said it to him as an adult. I always gave him hugs.

I’m still reserved a little bit with affectionate emotion, even to this day, even in my own family, although I certainly feel it. That modeling was pretty ingrained, I would say. In recent years, with my grown children and grandchildren, I’ve apologized for things I did or didn’t do. I’m more forthcoming to do that now, because I realize it’s important. They need to know how I feel, since I was working through the time of Terry’s children being young and I wasn’t doing well myself through my fifties into my sixties.

What, if anything, do you remember your father encouraging you to do?
After I’d been divorced, he encouraged me about money. I wish I had been closer to him after I wasn’t married and still had my kids, so that he could have been the male figure in my life. But, on the other hand, I would have had to be accepting of that, as well. And I guess I grew up with such tight feelings of keeping things to yourself, that to this day I have a hard time sharing personal stuff and money issues and things like that. I’ve made some big mistakes because of that, not getting the right guidance or listening to even my family, because my mind was in a pathway that I thought I was doing the right thing.

So your father was at home and was attentive to the responsibilities of fatherhood. But he wasn’t really emotionally engaged in each of your lives beyond that.
If there was any emotion, it didn’t stick with me. I remember two or three little incidents of the negative. Linda talks about having fun with him. She’s six years younger than I am. I got to thinking about birth order and the experience of parents as you have more children. In that era and with his personality, he always liked being around babies. When the grandchildren came along, he always loved to hold the babies and little girls were his favorite, because he raised three.

I’m not sure that I was cut out to be a mom. I loved the little ones, but I struggled a little bit beyond that. I was sort of like my dad as I went through raising my kids.

To add another component to that, when I was single, I think that’s why I made mistakes with men in being too close, too intimate, too soon, too whatever. I’ll probably cry now, because I’m not happy about my behavior. I would never do that again. But I was promiscuous. [She is crying]

I think that was the connection missing, because if girls don’t have a good father image and one that’s in the home and pays attention to them and thinks they’re a-okay, then they’re going to do those kinds of things.

What about when you got into adolescence? Was he there for you? Did he talk to you about boys, set limits on your dating?
Well, I wasn’t a huge dater. The first young man, I was in high school, and I was about sixteen. And if Dad said anything, I don’t remember it. I’m sure he had comments along the way.

I met Rod, my ex-husband, in high school. He’s two years younger than I am and he was a sophomore and I was a senior. And I don’t recall Dad ever saying a whole lot. I’m sure there were little warnings about togetherness and by yourself and things like that, because Rod and I did get off track that way after a while.

When did your father die?
Dad lived nine or more years past Mom. He remarried after she was gone. For about seven years, he had Katherine. He didn’t want to be alone, which is fine. We were all happy for him at the time. She was so lovely and nice, and made Dad happy for about seven years. Then she passed away, and the two years he was by himself before he died were not good for him. He wasn’t happy being by himself.

He ended up in the hospital. I was there when he took his last breath. We were taking turns by his bedside and I just happened to be the one there when he expired. And I didn’t cry. I just notified my sisters. I felt a little bit privileged to be there.

Do you dream about your father at all? Or miss him at all?
No, I haven’t had any dreams about him, and I don’t really miss him. I felt like I never quite measured up in his eye, for whatever reason. And I think that played the role in my self-image all of my life.

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Women: Here’s a path to self discovery

To adult daughters—women—of all ages: Do you want to know yourself more deeply? If you’re ready for that, then get to know your father. Truly know him. If he was present in your family life, then he had an enormous influence on whom you’ve become. (Ditto if he was absent.) And here’s a suggestion for getting to truly know your dad. Sit down and do an oral history with him.

Ask your father to tell you his life story. If he does, and he’s honest, you will hear some of the following. It will be as unsettling as it is true:

  • He was physically or emotionally abused as a boy by at least one of his parents
  • He was beaten up by a group of others boys at least once
  • He was sexually abused
  • He had his heart broken at a young age by someone he was deeply in love with
  • He was humiliated in front of his classmates by one of his teachers, or in front of his team by a coach
  • He got ditched and rejected by other boys he thought were his friends
  • He found out his lover or his wife was cheating on him
  • He got bullied at work by a brute in a position of power
  • He got fired from a job and never told you because he was too embarrassed

I can virtually assure you that your father was traumatized by at least one of these. He may not even recognize it as trauma; it was just part of growing up, he may say to himself, if he thinks about these at all. But imagine any of these happening to your own son, or your daughter if you don’t have a son. Now recognize that it happened to your grandmother’s son. Your dad.

Talk with this man, and try to come to know him as a man, with a past, not just the dad who orbited around you at the center of your universe while you were growing up; not just the harsh authority figure who you may have hated and resented at times.

Listen to your father’s life story without judgment or blame. Ask him how his parents treated him; about how he was affected in school, and by war; ask about the fears, failures, and most memorable moments of his lifetime. What didn’t he get from his own upbringing that he longs for? What did he get that he treasures?

You will not regret this. It will almost certainly change your understanding of your father. And therefore your understanding of yourself. You don’t need to be a psychologist. You’ll see the connections.

If you have a father, do this while he’s still alive. This will change your life. I’d love to hear from you in a blog post once you’ve done this, or if you have done something like this already. These stories can be the beginning of understanding, and possible healing.

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Dear Dad: You Are Larger Than Life

For daughters, and young ones in particular, fathers are larger than life.

I saw this clearly when one of my daughters was about nine. We were horsing around, and I flexed my arm muscle for her. She stopped, looked, and gasped, “Whoa, Dad! You should be on the can of protein powder!” Mind you, I weigh 150 pounds.

During a conversation my wife and I had about ten years ago, she was adamant that her father was taller than I. “My dad’s taller than you are!” she declared, with utter certainty.

He was in his eighties, and maybe five foot six. I’m five foot nine. It didn’t matter. My wife’s daddy was huge. So was my daughter’s. So is your daughter’s.

Keep stepping up dads. Your daughters need you.

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Dads–Try This

I’d like to share a suggestion with dads (and moms who may want to share with their husbands). Do what I did. Go talk with women about their experiences with their fathers.

You don’t need to do 50 interviews obviously. But find 3-5 women you know well, and who trust you. Tell them you’d like to learn from their experience as a daughter, so you can understand fatherhood from that perspective. Meet with them someplace quiet and private. And then ask them a few big questions:

1. What if anything did you get, or absorb, from your father that you really treasure?

2. What if anything didn’t you get from him that you long for now, as a woman?

3. What can you identify about his presence, or absence, that shaped you most?

4. If he is no longer alive, what would you say to him now, if you could?

You can of course ask questions along the way. But mostly let them talk. Let it get emotional if that’s where it naturally goes. Don’t get unsettled if they cry. Let the story come up and out, for as long as she wants to talk. Chances are, no one has ever asked her to share that story, and she will be thankful for the opportunity.

I hope more dads do this. Let me know how it goes if you do…

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Thank you to the moms out there who’ve written…

I’ve been moved by what several mom bloggers have written about my book. I’ll paste their links below. I hope that their reviews move others to read the book as well. I’d obviously like to sell copies, but the bigger issue for me is making a lasting contribution to the livability of the world, by changing how dads raise their daughters.

I knew enough to recognize I truly wasn’t an expert at this. But I knew where the expertise resided: In the hearts and souls of women regardless of age, social standing, or culture. So I went out and gave myself the privileged education of my lifetime.

And, by the way, I would (and do) recommend this to dads anywhere. Just go ask the women you know and who trust you if they’ll share their stories with you, about what their dads gave them that they’re grateful for. Or what they robbed them of that they’ll perhaps never forgive. Or what their dads simply didn’t know how to give, and that as women they now long for.

http://askmissa.com/2011/08/10/review-of-in-search-of-fatherhood-by-kevin-renner/comment-page-1/#comment-28404

http://www.adayinmotherhood.com/2011/07/in-search-of-fatherhood-book-review.html#comments

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When Fathers Leave a Hole in Your Heart

I was moved by the openness, honesty, and longing that Danielle Pergament talks about in her June blog post below. So I’ve copied from lemondrop.com. I write about this longing in my book, of fathers who leave a gaping hole in their daughters’ hearts. That hole can’t be filled from the outside; it needs to be healed from the inside out, and that is hard. I know that from experience.

Were You Born to Cheat?

“During the winter before my wedding, I was on assignment in Sicily, where I met Diego, a photojournalist with black hair, a scruffy beard, and warm brown eyes that could liquefy concrete. He was my guide in Palermo, driving me around the city on his motorcycle. On my last day, as we stood in a bombed-out cathedral — him talking about World War II, me trying to focus on his words — he started inching closer. Another inch. Then a fraction more, and he was in my personal space. The slightest gesture from me would have been an invitation. I froze. I was madly in love with my fiancee, so what the hell was I doing?

The desire to cheat is hardly a new emotion for me. In fact, I can fairly say that if you’ve dated me, there’s a pretty good chance I was unfaithful. (I’m really sorry!) You might even call me a natural-born cheater — and I think I get it from my father.

My Father, My self

Henry Pergament was a businessman, entrepreneur and chemistry genius. By the time I was born, he’d raised several fortunes and had two families and half a dozen children in and out of wedlock. I have memories from my childhood that I wish I didn’t: One night when I was about 10, I was at dinner with my sister, my father and his friend Mike. I overheard my dad say, “What have I been up to? What men are up to when they’re not with their wives.”

Daily life in my family found my sisters, my mother and me running around the house like it was a disrupted anthill, my father somewhere off-screen. He worked hard and was often in absentia. But as I started to understand the adult world in increments, I wondered: Was he with another woman when he could be home teaching me to take a picture/drive a stick shift/make potato pancakes?

In the fall of 1991, I flew back to boarding school in California from our home in New York; my father had driven me to the airport. Once at my dorm, I called home, and my mother sounded strange on the phone: “Your father never came home.” He’d hugged me at the United terminal, then gotten in his car and driven all the way to Arizona, to his mistress. I remember thinking, How could he not tell me he wasn’t coming back?

But then he did come back. A few months later, he showed up at my graduation — tan, fit, wearing a linen suit, his white hair longer than I’d ever seen it. I never spoke to him about his family sabbatical.

My father died 10 years ago and, to be fair, he was a great deal more than his infidelities. He had a Dickensian childhood — raised in an orphanage, knew only poverty, never dreamed of going to college. He was highly intelligent (he invented film-processing systems that revolutionized photography), generous and so handsome that Catherine Deneuve flirted with him and Audrey Hepburn tried to buy him a drink. (He declined. I never learned why.) I take after my father in many ways — I got his dark eyes, his hot temper, his taste for burned toast. And I understand why he cheated: There wasn’t enough love in the world to make up for what he’d missed as a child. I just wish I wasn’t doomed to repeat it.”

How did your father shape you?

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What’s a dad to do? Part 2

What else did I learn after talking with 50 daughters from around the world? Here’s a radical notion: Retire. Now.

OK, that might be a bit over the top, taken literally. You probably can’t quit your job right now. But your daughter needs you while she’s young, more than anything else in the world.

I know all about this “peak earning years” pressure. I’ve been living it for the past two decades. It’s a strange culture we live in. We’ve reached an unparalleled level of prosperity, but we’re still stuck in an agrarian or industrial age mentality when it comes to our careers. We’re all revved up and working ourselves sick during our 30s and 40s—the same years in which our kids need us most.

Retirement is a lonely time for a lot of men. We’re not needed at work, our kids are gone. Many of us lament the road we traveled and how we paid short shrift to our kids.

I’m hoping the stories in my book help give men the courage to open more time and energy for their kids while they’re young. They come around only once as kids, and they need us. One of the things I saw in my research is that if you truly want a rich life, well into your older years, invest yourself emotionally in the lives of your kids.

Dads who did that with their daughters, like Cheryl Coupe’s and Ruth Burke’s dads in my book, are prospering as older men because their daughters can’t wait to spend time with them. Ruth in fact boggled my mind when we met, because she told me how she can’t wait for summer vacation every year so she can bring her dad along to spend a week with her family in central Oregon. I was stunned at how many times I heard stories like that.

We have the rest of our lives to make money. Our daughters get only one shot at a dad. We need to give them a dart to the heart. Just like she needed us when she was young, we’ll find we want and need her when we’re old.

OK dads and daughters—any regrets you can share? Any success stories that we all could learn from?

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